i started taking the pills and liquid just a couple of years ago, and i ended up dropping off of everything altogether, because i thought i was where i wanted to be for the time being. this may sound bad, but recently i started thinking i wanted to be bigger, and found about a half of a bottle of pills that i forgot i had in some old moving boxes. well, i started taking these pills (expiration date still read 2008), and ended up ordering more. i must say i am addicted to these products, and they are growing more yet. thanks again, and kudos to you!!!!!