Try using low-flow fixtures. I wont get into the details of it here, but suffice it to say Grant was busy with taking notes as I flew the airplane. Don, sorry about your situation and lack of communication. But it was not his fault that it. If this had happened at a big passenger airline, they would have been lauded for getting the aircraft to the runway. Only records that are readily If anyone in North Florida is interested let me know. This press release was issued by Avantair late last night: AVANTAIR UPDATE ON VOLUNTARY STAND-DOWN OF OPERATIONS. 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The Avanti II gets its best range figures, up around 1,500 nm, at higher altitudes and lower fuel burns, and Grant told me that the range is real, commenting that he has never had to make more than one fuel stop going from any one point in the continental United States to another. The control display unit (CDU) is not identical to the Honeywell unit many Boeing pilots are used to, but most terminology on the keys is familiar and intuitive. Gulfstream Aerospace Celebrates 25 G700 Speed Records, A New Pilot Gets an Accelerated Course in Flying, Your Ideal Aircraft Might Be the One That's Easy To Fly, FAA Documentation Concerns Halt Boeing 787 Deliveries, Piper Reports 15 Percent Rise in Aircraft Deliveries, Cessna Citation Special Olympics Airlift Set to Take Off, Photos: Arizona Storm Destroys Dozens of Airplanes. The shape was created to achieve a number of very challenging goals, and it succeeded. The start-up sequence is pure PT6; its a completely pilot-controlled process. A friend owns a There is a lot owners don't know and it is shocking. Piaggio succeeded in its design goals to create a large cabin as well as a very fast design that puts it squarely in the light jet arena. The approach speeds are very fast by turboprop standards. Piaggios appearance at the Singapore Airshow in February lifted hopes somewhat that the design can survive. Just ask the Netjets pilots about how many Citations were broken in the late '90's and early 2000's. Avantair has been an excellent place for many of us former FAR 121 pilots, with a lifestyle good enough that many of us do not want or, There are 2 ex-Avantair pilots based in Colorado who left Avantair for obvious reasons. Yes, the Captain, a mere mortal and an infallible being, DID miss the elevator on his post flight inspection. The crew brought a crippled aircraft safely to the runway, but departed the runway with the crosswind condition. As far as the crew that experienced the elevator loss, now you will hear the rest of the story.. Due to low ceilings at the destination airport, the crew diverted to the alternate, SAN. The airplane is nicely stable on final. In fact, Avantair hired and added airplanes during the Great Recession. The surface, which like the tail has a considerable amount of anhedral, is ice-protected, as is the windshield, by electric heat. On the Avanti, each unique characteristic of the aircraft is firmly rooted in function. Pilot Report: Piaggio Avanti Evo - Aviation International It wasnt the only fast turboprop twin with a forward wing the Beech Starship was a contemporary, though that company stopped production of the composite cabin-class twin shortly after it started it, admitting later that the composite model was so time-intensive to build that it was simply unprofitable. Everyone at Owner Services couldn't have been nicer and the vast majority of the pilots were courteous and very professional, and I had zero complaints with them. In a jet this would have resulted in a go-around from 10 miles out. Villi and I then headed to Genoa for some instrument approaches. The sharp sweepback of the horizontal stabilizer ensures the elevators cannot be aerodynamically blanked by the main wing during a stall and thus remain effective throughout, and the main wing, with its high aspect ratio, is positioned behind the rear pressure bulkhead so that the spar does not pass through the passenger cabin, giving an uninterrupted length of 14.93 ft. This buffet, although it feels like a stick shaker through the column, is all aerodynamic from the forward wing and serves as an excellent stall warning. WebThe Piaggio P180 Avanti II twin-engine turboprop business aircraft is the successor to the P180 Avanti, of which more than 100 have been produced since its entry into service in However, the pilot did not report any pre-accident mechanical malfunction or anomaly with the airplane that may have precluded normal operation. Now I find out this has been an issue for several days but they have not sent out any communications to the owners mentioning this issue, nor is it mentioned on their website. So happy I left this rag tag joint when I did! To demonstrate the low-speed aileron control, Lorenzo then pulled back to the buffet and effortlessly rolled on 80 degrees of bank and then recovered to level flight. Avantairs demise, parts scarcity, and maintenance headaches combine to make P180 ownership a challenge. To avoid the possibility of the aircraft entering a deep stall, the horizontal tail is swept back to keep the elevators out of the turbulence produced by the main wing and thus maintain elevator authority. This kind of range makes the P.180 a great bet as a regional airplane or one thats based in the Midwest. The plan for my flight was to climb to 30,000 up to the Wichita VOR to do something Id never done before, an RVSM check. Again, the landing flare was very slight, and on touchdown, Lorenzo took control, selected beta on the props and we smoothly decelerated with plenty of runway remaining. As we approached this, Lorenzo increased the back pressure and stopped trimming at 1.5 times the stall speed. With fully reversionary flat-screen displays with a host of safety utilities, including TCAS, TAWS, satellite weather and more, the avionics suite is top-notch, and Piaggio Aero has been working with Rockwell Collins since the introduction of the Avanti II to add upgrades as they became available. While canard configurations like the Beechcraft Starship were gaining a lot of attention back then, the exotic Avanti begged to be even more different with its three-lifting-surface arrangement versus the canards tail-forward setup. WebFlightSafety offers the only formal pilot and maintenance training programs available for the Piaggio P.180 Avanti, the Avanti II and the Avanti EVO. I followed Lorenzos example, if anything being a bit more aggressive with the speed decay. Because of the rake angle of the windshield, the glareshield is very deep and provides a perspective unique to the Avanti. Criminal Records include Lansing arrests, arrest warrants, search warrants, Height / 13 ft 1 in Companies in trouble do this to avoid the panic of "furlough" status. Like the Starship, the Piaggio Avanti features a canard and rear-mounted engines. But the Avanti is made mostly of aluminum, not composites. It weighs thousands of pounds less than the Starship and is about 60 m.p.h. faster. ^ Martin, Ed (29 October 1989). So last saturday I was scheduled to fly from Dallas to Las Vegas at noon. With the stick fully back, we reached 100 knots indicated but once again, as I released the back pressure and smoothly applied power, we recovered. Reaching ahead between the forward cabin bulkhead, he lifted the left-side pilots seat to provide a clear floor area on which to stand. Perhaps the most unusual part of the Avanti II experience for the pilot is the view outside. The closeness to the ground gives the airplane a go-cart feel. Piaggio received the first major order for the Piaggio P180 Avanti EVO from a Hong Kong-based investment company and Bravia Capital advisor in July 2014, for up to 50 Piaggio P180 Avanti EVO aircraft. In simpler terms, that means the engines maintain their 850 shaft horsepower to a higher altitude thereby increasing true airspeed of the airplane through the thinner air. The Avanti II, I should probably mention, is a single-pilot airplane; it doesnt need a crew. The Shape of Fast This action is voluntary and involves the temporary stand-down of [our] aircraft, Avantair said in a statement. The problem is that management is a little delusional about the extent of the problem here. We rotated at 105 knots, which is pretty darned fast for a turboprop, using about half of the available 7,000 feet at KDTO. I didnt alter it in any way I just cut and pasted what they sent me. Avantair has retained safety expert Nick Sabatini to oversee the project. One thats lacking is the single FMS. That all changed in 2003 when Avantair put the design thoroughly on the map in the United States as a successful fractional-ownership provider of Avantis. : EASA.A.059 Issue: 07 Date: 11 October 2012 1. a) Type P.180 b) Variant Avanti 2. Furthermore, the required pilot aircraft walkaround or preflight check of the P180 at San Diego before departure to Nevada, could not have missed the absent elevator that had fallen off before arrival, if in fact the preflight had been accomplished at all. He placed his left foot at the base of the carpet behind the central instrument panel and stepped forward with his right, placing his foot inboard of the control column and gracefully followed with his left. At 10:21:49, there was 1000 feet of vertical separation and 0.9 nautical miles of lateral separation between the two aircraft. This, along with the airplanes great cabin and operating economies, has made the Avanti II the airplane that has helped create the remarkable success of charter and fractional operator Avantair, which operates 57 Avantis. Piaggios P180 Avanti created quite a splash with its 1990 certification in the United States. Of course we do. Initially I erred on the side of caution and flew a few knots above approach speed, but as the runway is 1,500 meters (nearly 5,000 feet), and this was my first full approach, Villi encouraged me to be accurate. In any event, they are going to be fighting an uphill battle, as each day that passes is going to cause people to want to cancel there "membership.". Acceleration feels fast, but steering through the rudders is positive and smooth, though it requires an easy touch to avoid darting about. The fuel penalty for flying in the 20s is not as extreme as it is in turbofan airplanes. You know get them off the insurance roll. What we didnt fully realize is that over the next 20 years no light jet would emerge that could challenge the P.180s remarkable combination of speed, fuel efficiency and cabin size, a trifecta of strengths that has made it a popular transportation airplane with operators for whom efficiency, comfort and high style are the hallmarks of having arrived. On first glimpse, the cabin interior is impressive, with a two-place bench seat opposite the door, a single sideways-facing seat on the same side as the door and four club-arranged seats leading to a full privacy toilet. The one posted under SEC filings on www.avantair.com shows a sentence between the last and next to last sentences that is missing from your release. In the process it doesnt hurt one bit that the Avanti II just so happens to be one of the sleekest and most beautiful airplanes ever built. Max cruise speed / 400 KTAS WebLansing Criminal Records contain an individual's entire criminal history record in Lansing, Michigan. @piaggiodriver, it's ok to be proud of working at a company but avantair treats its employees horribly. WebAt approximately the same time, the Piaggio P.180 received a traffic advisory. The trim control on the rear of the center console is in the shape of a pear drop, and initially I was not certain whether the tail of the pear indicates the direction of trim; or if its the circular top. He sighted the runway at 50 ft above the missed approach point. The Piaggio Avanti EVO is the third generation model of Piaggios flagship model. I still recall going into one of the back hangers and see MX personal taking parts off of other P180s and putting them on other P180s. Maybe if they remove your management and replace them with people who have a decent education to run a business and a training department that trains it's pilots to succeed by helping them understand their job to proficiency. When we resume operations, we will have the most reliable fleet in our industry embracing the highest standards in aviation, said Mr. Santo. Avantair loves the use of an ops check where the the crew tries to recreate the issue once and the maintenance department ignores it even after repeat issues with that same problem day after day. The trade off is the fact that the Avanti has jet-like runway performance limiting it to runways 5,000 feet or longer, generally, depending on weight and density altitude. Please specify the source for your statement. Could it happen to anyone else? Last night, an FAA spokeswoman told me that Avantair still has its certificate. Please note that not all records are available electronically. As we returned to our starting point alongside Villanovas smart, modern terminal, we allowed the PT6s to cool for the required two minutes before securing the airplane. The anhedral of the forward wing ensures there is no aerodynamic interference with the engine intakes and assists in stall handling. I selected terrain on my PFD to map the coastline. He descended to 1,000 feet to position for a visual arrival to Runway 10 with a touch-and-go. Viva VNR! Anyone have any or both of these checkists? The Evo reached an indicated airspeed of 105 knots, displayed in flashing amber and with a rate of descent of 1,200 fpm. They caught a wing and oveturned, but everyone was safe. But that there are some management issues. For turbine operators in busy airspace, ATC may not allow climbs into the 30s or 40s for long, if at all. These inspections and other actions are still underway. After wed checked figures at 380, we headed down briefly to FL 320 on the way back to Dallas. We are not infallible, and mistakes have definitely been made, but we do not deserve the acrid bile from those on this board who have obvious agendas and would celebrate our downfall. The power levers were manually adjusted as we climbed to maintain 100 percent torque, shown on the engine indicating system on the top of the central multifunction display (MFD) in green. After two major incidents/accidents in eight months are not all fractional owners, their employees and their families scared to hell for their own safety??? Yes. I could see why 380 is a preferred altitude. Why wouldn't they do it maybe 5 aircraft at a time? Both crews included experienced professionals that could have easily been flying somewhere else. A lot of the airplane have recurring maintenance problems that just get put off until something really breaks and the airplane is grounded. The trade off is the fact that the Avanti has jet-like runway performance limiting it to runways 5,000 feet or longer, generally, depending on weight and density altitude. However, lately the service sucks and now this. With our new processes and procedures, Avantair will satisfy the heightened requirements governing the largest aircraft types in our industry. This is a place worth fighting for and we will hope for the best. This story is already out of date, as of today, 10/25/12, the entire is fleet is grounded for the foreseeable future. P180 Avanti Pressurization System. With a top speed of 400 knots (Avanti II/Evo), these airplanes cruise as much as 100 knots faster than traditional turboprops. Earlier, she also confirmed that Avantairs grounding was indeed voluntary and not mandated by the FAA. Taking back control as we lined up, Villi held the brakes using the top of the toe pedals, advanced the power levers to 97.6 percent, and we accelerated briskly to 120 knots. Along with the wings, the engine inlets and wing leading edge are deiced by bleed air; the tail does without, as do the props, which are heated directly by the engine exhaust blowing over them. Avantair and the FAA may call it voluntary, but it's all semantics. As an owner I would think twice about renewing my contract and go with a company who cares about its customers safety, including employees. .intend to return to the 121 world. Though the very basic levers dont look as though they have reverse capability, they do, though it requires a healthy lift on the levers to get them back over the gate to provide propeller braking to slow things down on the ramp and taxiways. P180 Avanti Ice and Rain Protection. The Avanti II gets its best range figures, up around 1,500 nm, at higher altitudes and lower fuel burns, and Grant told me that the range is real, commenting that At FL350, the speed remained stable even with back pressure applied to maintain altitude, and the aircraft was easy to control. We have graduates from Embry-Riddle, Purdue, UND, Parks College, etc., some of the most respected aviation schools in the world. Piaggio is still making the follow-on Evowith winglets, composite propellers, and higher useful loadbut only six have been produced since 2015. Piaggios appearance at the Singapore Airshow in February lifted hopes somewhat that the design can survive. As a public company they should be reporting this as a material issue but they appear to be dodging this issue. On climb-out, especially given the steep angle of attack of the impressive-climbing P.180, its hard to see much out front at all. My friend, the Captain, requested the FO remain with the passengers, who continued their verbal tirade as the Captain DID complete a postflight, although abbreviated under duress. Thats slightly less than 100 gallons per hour, a figure light jets simply cant touch. If the fleet was grounded last saturday then why were pilots sent out assignments to fly? Pilots are being pushed to the extreme limits of duty time and rest and general morale simply could not be lower company-wide. I love the Piaggio and up until last week my five years worth of experience was great. Grant handled the radio tuning. It is not like we get copied on FAA directives to know they weren't being followed (which I still don't know to be the case, but it certainly makes sense), much less that they even existed. 2023 Aircraft Owners and Pilots Association, Air Force looks toward automation with Reliable Robotics, Boeing, NASA to develop sustainable airliner. He then lowered the seat and sat down. Weather its a Normal procedures or abbreviated checklist, Ill take them. While the forward wing is not fitted with an elevator, it does have a flap, or set of flaps, depending on how you look at it. Its also remarkably wide for an airplane of its size. Deviating from ICAO-compliant English, the controller told us, Piste libre before we lined up and discussed the departure. Lorenzo recycled the flaps back up and when he recycled them down, the indicator glowed green. At that level we were seeing 380 knots or Mach 0.664 on 600 pounds of jet-A per hour, not per side but total. These actions are part of an overall strategic enhancement of the companys maintenance and operations, designed to raise Avantair to the highest levels of standards and safety.. At 160 knots, he handed control over to me, and we climbed at 2,500 fpm. But as soon as Lorenzo released the back pressure and added power, the aircraft recovered and we were flying at 140 knots. The Starships forward canard controls pitch whereas the Avanti has a conventional stabilizer/elevator surface. Don. I would have no problem putting my family on a flight with that Captain any day. A traffic target can be out of view in certain positions, at around 2 oclock for the left-seater or 11 oclock for the right-seater. The main wing of the airplane is very small (172.2 square feet, slightly less than a Cessna 210s) and very highly loaded. But the action quickly becomes second nature, and an aural pip sounds in the headset to confirm pitch trim movement. For private owners, charter customers and fractional owners, the big cabin is a major selling point. On Saturday, fractional provider Avantair grounded its entire fleet of about 60 Piaggio Avanti twin turboprops to conduct a comprehensive examination of all maintenance records and aircraft. 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